Ok, let’s define terms: I took you to be saying Morris had the same reputation as the ultimate big game starter in Detroit as he did by the end of his career. That’s not true. He was viewed as an ace, but the big game mystique wasn’t a thing until 1991, when he started 3 games in the World Series*
Posted on September 2, 2026 at 02:11:30 PM by Brad
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For your consideration: Alan Trammell vs Barry Larkin.
- By brick
September 2, 2026 at 01:25:04 PM
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Baseball has been very good to me - JOSE RIJO*
- By Cincywolve
September 2, 2026 at 02:27:47 PM
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Great stats but your conclusion is asinine
- By Rich
September 2, 2026 at 01:32:18 PM
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If Morris's fame hurt Trammell, it was all after he had left the Tigers and pitched with the Twins. That's his most "famous" time- when he pitched a CG shutout vs. the Braves in the WS.*
- By mjhollen
September 2, 2026 at 03:59:58 PM
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For some reason Larkin was a guy who had star buzz around himra from the beginning of his career in a way that Trammell didn't T
- By Paul
September 2, 2026 at 02:05:24 PM
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Disagree with your assessment of the media perception, both contemporaneously and subsequently
- By brick
September 2, 2026 at 02:02:09 PM
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Following up, here are the Tigers of the Year from 78-92 (Tiger MVP voted by local media)
- By Rich
September 2, 2026 at 01:53:24 PM
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The first tier was smaller than that: Gibson, Tram, Morris. And of that group Morris was the most celebrated during the pre-analytics era. Agree that brick’s conclusion was a reach, tho**
- By Brad
September 2, 2026 at 01:43:22 PM
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Parrish was more celebrated than Gibson nationally. Even locally. Gibson never made an All Star game. Parrish was the best catcher in the AL for a few years*
- By Rich
September 2, 2026 at 01:46:03 PM
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Not true. Gibson was 6th in MVP voting in 1984 (4th among position players). Parrish was 16th. Also, Gibson’s WAR shouldn’t even have had him in the top-15. Tram’s was 6.8 that year (he arguably should have been AL MVP). Gibson got more attention from fans/the media b/c he was a charismatic …
- By Brad
September 2, 2026 at 01:53:19 PM
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Gibson had charisma and local following but OTOH Parrish was an 8 time All Star and Gibson was selected zero times. So how well was he really viewed?*
- By Rich
September 2, 2026 at 01:59:47 PM
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The options for all star catchers in the AL in the 80s were unusually shitty: Rich German, Terry Kennedy, Matt f’in Nokes, Tim Laudner, Terry Steinbaxh, etc. Meanwhile Gibson was competing with Reggie Jackson, Winfield, Puckett, Rickey Henderson, Jim Rice, Canseco, Baines…**
- By Brad
September 2, 2026 at 02:28:22 PM
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Disagree, perception was that Morris was a big game pitcher and a bulldog which over shadowed the actual stats. That was local and national.*
- By MasterBates
September 2, 2026 at 01:42:35 PM
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