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Posted on August 5, 2026 at 09:21:21 PM by Alpo

Do you think Hamas is honest? Do you think they care about the lives of Palestinians living in Gaza? Do you think October 7th was reasonable and their hostage-taking should not have inspired such a strong reaction from Israel? (Whom, I agree, used it as a pretext for excessive force.)

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NYT: After Michigan Loss, AIPAC Weighs a Second Effort to Defeat El-Sayed The pro-Israel organization spent $32 million in an unsuccessful effort to defeat Abdul El-Sayed in Michigan’s Democratic Senate primary. It might try again in the general election. (m) - By suede August 5, 2026 at 08:09:13 PM
- They would have flipped to Rogers if Stevens had won.* - By crumbs August 5, 2026 at 09:50:02 PM
- Re: Here is the article ... - By kccambo August 5, 2026 at 09:02:49 PM
- AIPAC is anti American. Pro BIBI and Iran war funding by us taxpayers as they enjoy socialism. . *** - By Cincywolve August 5, 2026 at 08:34:07 PM
  - Theyve done a fabulous job, along with Netanyahu, making ordinary people fucking hate them and, by associati8n undermined supprt for Israel. Helluva job, Brownie!* - By Alpo August 5, 2026 at 08:37:38 PM
    - Yes even setting aside the genocide I can hate them on just the American political support and funding. * - By Cincywolve August 5, 2026 at 08:44:09 PM
      - It’s not a fucking genocide. That is ridiculous. Words matter.* - By Alpo August 5, 2026 at 08:46:25 PM
        
        Ir is brutal force and killing many many many women and children without media or justice or consequences. * - By Cincywolve August 5, 2026 at 08:49:46 PM
        
        Yes, it is probably excessive. That doesn’t make it genocide. - By Alpo August 5, 2026 at 08:54:25 PM
        
        I think it's clear that Netanyahu's decisions after the first few months post 10/7 were motivated by a cynical desire to cling to power and avoid scrutiny of how his government utterly failed in its mission to maintain security. (m) - By suede August 5, 2026 at 09:02:15 PM
        
        Agree with both of those contentions* - By Alpo August 5, 2026 at 09:04:03 PM
        
        The Lancet Global Health estimated about 75,200 violent deaths - By Cincywolve August 5, 2026 at 08:56:14 PM
        
        They are probably getting their numbers from Hamas. - By Alpo August 5, 2026 at 09:02:46 PM
        
        LOL* - By crumbs August 5, 2026 at 10:15:26 PM
        
        I am sorry...i Have to weigh in here. Probably excessive?! Hmm. They lose *ANY* benefit of the doubt when they unilaterally prevent news coverage from what is going on.... - By Pal August 5, 2026 at 09:37:54 PM
        
        We can agree to disagree on things. But I find it interesting that many ppl who are offended by the term genocide simultaneously use words that in essence trivialize the atrocities being committed by Israel daily nearly 3 years later * - By Pal August 6, 2026 at 01:45:35 AM
        
        I think that takes a very charitable view of the actions of Hamas* - By Alpo August 5, 2026 at 10:06:11 PM
        
        yes no one is pro Hamas. * - By Cincywolve August 5, 2026 at 09:13:25 PM
        
        Yikes. You sound like Kurt. By any measure Gaza has been decimated (realizing western media is prohibited to report)*. - By Cincywolve August 5, 2026 at 09:11:53 PM
        
        Poor kurt - catching strays* - By Poster P August 5, 2026 at 10:13:31 PM
        
        If you have substantive disagreement then say so - By Alpo August 5, 2026 at 09:21:21 PM
        
        NO ONE SUPPORTS HAMAS (although they have been very useful for Bibi politically)* - By Cincywolve August 5, 2026 at 09:42:13 PM
        
        I have not accused anyone of supporting Hamas.* - By Alpo August 5, 2026 at 09:57:19 PM
        
        but you equate Gazans (women and children) as a non entity. You are building an argument of Israel’s vs Hamas. I do not think that is happening. Like Trump is building an argument against violent immigrants so all hands on deck * - By Cincywolve August 5, 2026 at 10:15:17 PM
        
        The women and children are caught between two warring parties. They are not a non-entity but they are far more beholden to the actions of Hamas than of Israel - By Alpo August 5, 2026 at 11:00:50 PM
        
        No I am not pro Hamas. No I do not support their harm on the children of Gaza. I also do not believe scientific journals are getting facts from Hamas or the press is making up lies to make israel look bad * - By Cincywolve August 5, 2026 at 09:34:11 PM
        
        I’ve never accused of being pro-Hamas - By Alpo August 5, 2026 at 09:55:16 PM
        
        Ahem.* - By Alpo August 5, 2026 at 11:25:55 PM
        
        Here is the methodology used to estimate death records - By Cincywolve August 6, 2026 at 03:15:31 PM
- Someone called this over a week ago. Said even if Stevens won, they’d still cut her loose and spend on Rogers.* - By gbmcq August 5, 2026 at 08:25:24 PM
- It's pretty fucked that a PAC that exists to lobby on the behalf of a foreign government dumps so much money into some of these elections.* - By Bluebuck August 5, 2026 at 08:24:02 PM

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