I am sorry...i Have to weigh in here. Probably excessive?! Hmm. They lose *ANY* benefit of the doubt when they unilaterally prevent news coverage from what is going on....

I am sorry...i Have to weigh in here. Probably excessive?! Hmm. They lose ANY benefit of the doubt when they unilaterally prevent news coverage from what is going on....

Posted on August 5, 2026 at 09:37:54 PM by Pal

Absent that, as far as I am concerned, any number reported should be treated as credible. If Israel wants to dispute that, then drop the fucking news blackout.

And I am not even mentioning the prohibition of independent medical personnel, foreign food aid (they fucking bombed a world food convoy), etc. Between the news, food and medical interdictions, the clear "excessive" killing, and the leveling of nearly every major settlement... the word genocide is by a country mile more descriptive of the coordinated and careless execution of the general population, then Probably excessive.

Words matter after all.

I know this is harsh, and I know You dont feel this way, but this attitude that it is something closer to probably excessive pisses me off.

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NYT: After Michigan Loss, AIPAC Weighs a Second Effort to Defeat El-Sayed The pro-Israel organization spent $32 million in an unsuccessful effort to defeat Abdul El-Sayed in Michigan’s Democratic Senate primary. It might try again in the general election. (m) - By suede August 5, 2026 at 08:09:13 PM
- They would have flipped to Rogers if Stevens had won.* - By crumbs August 5, 2026 at 09:50:02 PM
- Re: Here is the article ... - By kccambo August 5, 2026 at 09:02:49 PM
- AIPAC is anti American. Pro BIBI and Iran war funding by us taxpayers as they enjoy socialism. . *** - By Cincywolve August 5, 2026 at 08:34:07 PM
  - Theyve done a fabulous job, along with Netanyahu, making ordinary people fucking hate them and, by associati8n undermined supprt for Israel. Helluva job, Brownie!* - By Alpo August 5, 2026 at 08:37:38 PM
    - Yes even setting aside the genocide I can hate them on just the American political support and funding. * - By Cincywolve August 5, 2026 at 08:44:09 PM
      - It’s not a fucking genocide. That is ridiculous. Words matter.* - By Alpo August 5, 2026 at 08:46:25 PM
        
        Ir is brutal force and killing many many many women and children without media or justice or consequences. * - By Cincywolve August 5, 2026 at 08:49:46 PM
        
        Yes, it is probably excessive. That doesn’t make it genocide. - By Alpo August 5, 2026 at 08:54:25 PM
        
        I think it's clear that Netanyahu's decisions after the first few months post 10/7 were motivated by a cynical desire to cling to power and avoid scrutiny of how his government utterly failed in its mission to maintain security. (m) - By suede August 5, 2026 at 09:02:15 PM
        
        Agree with both of those contentions* - By Alpo August 5, 2026 at 09:04:03 PM
        
        The Lancet Global Health estimated about 75,200 violent deaths - By Cincywolve August 5, 2026 at 08:56:14 PM
        
        They are probably getting their numbers from Hamas. - By Alpo August 5, 2026 at 09:02:46 PM
        
        LOL* - By crumbs August 5, 2026 at 10:15:26 PM
        
        I am sorry...i Have to weigh in here. Probably excessive?! Hmm. They lose *ANY* benefit of the doubt when they unilaterally prevent news coverage from what is going on.... - By Pal August 5, 2026 at 09:37:54 PM
        
        We can agree to disagree on things. But I find it interesting that many ppl who are offended by the term genocide simultaneously use words that in essence trivialize the atrocities being committed by Israel daily nearly 3 years later * - By Pal August 6, 2026 at 01:45:35 AM
        
        I think that takes a very charitable view of the actions of Hamas* - By Alpo August 5, 2026 at 10:06:11 PM
        
        yes no one is pro Hamas. * - By Cincywolve August 5, 2026 at 09:13:25 PM
        
        Yikes. You sound like Kurt. By any measure Gaza has been decimated (realizing western media is prohibited to report)*. - By Cincywolve August 5, 2026 at 09:11:53 PM
        
        Poor kurt - catching strays* - By Poster P August 5, 2026 at 10:13:31 PM
        
        If you have substantive disagreement then say so - By Alpo August 5, 2026 at 09:21:21 PM
        
        NO ONE SUPPORTS HAMAS (although they have been very useful for Bibi politically)* - By Cincywolve August 5, 2026 at 09:42:13 PM
        
        I have not accused anyone of supporting Hamas.* - By Alpo August 5, 2026 at 09:57:19 PM
        
        but you equate Gazans (women and children) as a non entity. You are building an argument of Israel’s vs Hamas. I do not think that is happening. Like Trump is building an argument against violent immigrants so all hands on deck * - By Cincywolve August 5, 2026 at 10:15:17 PM
        
        The women and children are caught between two warring parties. They are not a non-entity but they are far more beholden to the actions of Hamas than of Israel - By Alpo August 5, 2026 at 11:00:50 PM
        
        No I am not pro Hamas. No I do not support their harm on the children of Gaza. I also do not believe scientific journals are getting facts from Hamas or the press is making up lies to make israel look bad * - By Cincywolve August 5, 2026 at 09:34:11 PM
        
        I’ve never accused of being pro-Hamas - By Alpo August 5, 2026 at 09:55:16 PM
        
        Ahem.* - By Alpo August 5, 2026 at 11:25:55 PM
        
        Here is the methodology used to estimate death records - By Cincywolve August 6, 2026 at 03:15:31 PM
- Someone called this over a week ago. Said even if Stevens won, they’d still cut her loose and spend on Rogers.* - By gbmcq August 5, 2026 at 08:25:24 PM
- It's pretty fucked that a PAC that exists to lobby on the behalf of a foreign government dumps so much money into some of these elections.* - By Bluebuck August 5, 2026 at 08:24:02 PM

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I am sorry...i Have to weigh in here. Probably excessive?! Hmm. They lose *ANY* benefit of the doubt when they unilaterally prevent news coverage from what is going on....

I am sorry...i Have to weigh in here. Probably excessive?! Hmm. They lose ANY benefit of the doubt when they unilaterally prevent news coverage from what is going on....