The Victors

Now predominantly the 2nd. It's not that his followers know what's going on, but at this point they know he's lying. It's still worth it to them, for various reasons.*

Posted on August 19, 2026 at 04:53:43 PM by ftb (edited August 19, 2026 at 05:05:08 PM)

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• Question about Trump's lying - By danny August 19, 2026 at 04:50:50 PM
  • Both and a lot of 'he's exaggerating' and 'he's taken out of context' and 'we know what he meant' - By Rabbit August 19, 2026 at 07:01:42 PM
  • too stupid* - By Poster P August 19, 2026 at 06:00:06 PM
  • I think people saying followers (mostly) believe underestimate Iran. It matters to them due to gas prices and Trump's been wrong re winning/peace so many times they can't miss it.* - By ftb August 19, 2026 at 05:37:24 PM
  • I read a good article once about the difference between a liar and a bullshitter, Trump’s the ultimate bullshitter. A liar knows they’re lying, a bullshitter often doesn’t know or care, as long as it fits their narrative. I’d say, by now, they’re mostly numb to it. * - By Mark II August 19, 2026 at 05:17:34 PM
  • Those aren’t necessarily discrete groups. Lots of “savvy” cumstains start as B, but turn into A because they are surrounded by dumbfucks and cultists - By brick August 19, 2026 at 05:11:49 PM
  • People drink the sand because they don’t know the difference - President Andrew Sheppard* - By cp August 19, 2026 at 05:06:11 PM
  • Base: Mostly A. Money men: Mostly B although Ackman et al have probably drunk some Kool-Aid by this point* - By Paul August 19, 2026 at 05:01:26 PM
    • Just different parts of his base. Trump has support of oligarchs and Wall Street. They should be considered his base as well. * - By bluejohn August 19, 2026 at 05:40:05 PM
  • Both* - By Rich August 19, 2026 at 04:59:47 PM
    • Agree* - By EricP August 19, 2026 at 05:01:46 PM
  • Mostly A related to the fact that people just believe what they want to believe.* - By mattb August 19, 2026 at 04:57:03 PM
  • My read is that it's a mixture of both, but the real diehards are B. They're so consumed by grievance and hatred that they don't care that Trump lies. He hates the people they hate. (nm) - By suede August 19, 2026 at 04:53:43 PM
  • Now predominantly the 2nd. It's not that his followers know what's going on, but at this point they know he's lying. It's still worth it to them, for various reasons.* - By ftb August 19, 2026 at 04:53:43 PM
  • IMO, depends on the lie - By mgaelster August 19, 2026 at 04:53:24 PM

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