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“We?” So because of a couple of shitty administrators, Jim owed the program, his program, players/alums, his alma mater as a whole, nothing? Don’t agree at all. If he wasn’t going to try and groom a successor he should have sounded the alarm bells on Sherrone. (m)

Posted on September 27, 2026 at 10:00:54 AM by Eric (edited September 27, 2026 at 10:02:02 AM)

Weren’t we all rolling mad that Lloyd never groomed a qualified successor and was planning to leave us with Debord?*

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Davis Warren threw for 396 and 4tds last night. We have been coached by absolute bums for 30 years outside of Jim and it's maddening* - By hambone September 27, 2026 at 09:38:11 AM
- LC wasn't a bum. He consistently failed to maximize use of offensive talent but that's strike 1-2, not strike 3.* - By ftb September 27, 2026 at 09:42:07 AM
  - I just threw 30 years out there but this wasn't really meant for Lloyd. Although he underachieved often, but yes not a bum like RR, Hoke, Moore, Whitt* - By hambone September 27, 2026 at 09:54:04 AM
  - Re: LC wasn't a bum. He consistently failed to maximize use of offensive talent but that's strike 1-2, not strike 3.* - By ameriKa September 27, 2026 at 09:52:13 AM
    - Yeah, he had some terrible games mixed with the highs. RR, Hoke, and Sherrone had no such highs. Whitt not yet (here).* - By ftb September 27, 2026 at 10:39:40 AM
  - Agreed. He could coach. * - By Spirit September 27, 2026 at 09:51:43 AM
- It's stuff like that that makes the "better things aren't possible/what more could the coaches do" defenses sillier and sillier - By Damaniac September 27, 2026 at 09:41:52 AM
- You must be getting kind of excited, right? The prospect of a possible coach firing has emerged. Christmas in September.* - By Bluebuck September 27, 2026 at 09:40:19 AM
  - Sounds like you are all in still on program direction * - By BBA September 27, 2026 at 09:46:45 AM
    - We're 4 games into a new coaching regime with a completely new offensive system and the youngest roster in the conference. I think calling for firings at this point it stupid, yes. I am not certain that it will work out. That would also be stupid.* - By Bluebuck September 27, 2026 at 10:14:27 AM
      - Any coach that calls that 3rd and 5 run puts the team at such a disadvantage that only a massive talent gap could overcome in long run * - By BBA September 27, 2026 at 10:49:30 AM
      - Young roster for sure on offense. But the players making the idiotic penalties are 4th year guys. The WR duo is the most talented in many years. And this staff wants to run rhino 60% of the time when it's clearly a lost cause. * - By BMH75 September 27, 2026 at 10:32:22 AM
    - Bob Chesney pushing Whitt’s shit in at the Big House in late November in front of 58,000 people will be bleak. - By LS&Play September 27, 2026 at 09:53:04 AM
      - Semaj will have two wonderful punt returns * - By ameriKa September 27, 2026 at 09:55:54 AM
  - No it's maddening that he was even hired. But somehow the narrative was "we needed an adult after Jim and Moore" because Warde Manuel is incompetent. We needed an elite hire after Sherrone because he sucked and should have never even been considered. I get ppl like you were happy about Sherrone (m) - By hambone September 27, 2026 at 09:46:28 AM
    - Warde is awful but Jim should have set us up with a better successor than Sherrone. Especially given how many gold assistants he had over the years.* - By Eric September 27, 2026 at 09:49:04 AM
      - Jim owed us NOTHING. We cut his pay and he went 15-0. We didn't defend him to the NCAA nor the B10. * - By Spirit September 27, 2026 at 09:53:45 AM
        
        Michigan must be the only program that purposefully runs the best coach ever out of town. And then hires a lame assistant coach with no experience. And then hires a coach who should he retired and was pushed out at his previous job. * - By BMH75 September 27, 2026 at 10:01:02 AM
        
        The timing of the Sherrone implosion limited our options. Whitt was about as good as we could do then. My point in dropping the magic goggles is that he isn't going to be elite (m) - By Spirit September 27, 2026 at 10:08:08 AM
        
        This is correct. Whitt was the best choice given very limited options. The hope was (still is) that Whitt could provide some stability, be a bridge to the next coach, keep the Michigan ethos (dominant OL/DL and run game) intact. At least that is (was?) my hope.* - By Ev September 27, 2026 at 10:29:09 AM
        
        “We?” So because of a couple of shitty administrators, Jim owed the program, his program, players/alums, his alma mater as a whole, nothing? Don’t agree at all. If he wasn’t going to try and groom a successor he should have sounded the alarm bells on Sherrone. (m) - By Eric September 27, 2026 at 10:00:54 AM
        
        He did groom a successor. Turned out that aside from being a phenomenal OL coach, Moore was also an instagram junkie/compulsive masturbator. Jim is football smart, not people smart. He wasn’t trying to fuck us over with Moore, he’s just an awful judge of character. See Weiss, Schemy, Biff, et al.* - By Ev September 27, 2026 at 10:17:51 AM
        
        I don’t think Jim was trying to screw us. And I agree, he was an awful judge of character. (m) - By Eric September 27, 2026 at 10:24:16 AM
        
        At least as OL coach, I thought he was damn impressive. He was in over his head as HC, but those offensive lines in ‘21 and ‘22 in particular were a sight to behold. Pretty good in ‘23 too, and in his two years as head coach.* - By Ev September 27, 2026 at 10:42:58 AM
        
        Yep, which is why you needed a strong AD to protect him from himself. Jim is a football savant, but lacking in many other skills. * - By Spirit September 27, 2026 at 10:21:47 AM
        
        Totally agree.* - By Ev September 27, 2026 at 10:32:46 AM
        
        Correct* - By ameriKa September 27, 2026 at 09:58:04 AM
      - Did Warde's process even consider an interview with Minter or MacDonald? or was it a choice between Moore and a "Michigan Man" like Mike Hart? Because I would have chosen Moore over Hart also...* - By jim4blue September 27, 2026 at 09:53:11 AM
      - Jim's job wasn't hiring his replacement. That is on Warde. Plus all of Jim's quality hires went to the NFL with him or someone else. (m) - By hambone September 27, 2026 at 09:51:20 AM
        
        Of course it ultimately falls on Warde, but Jim advocated for Sherrone.* - By Eric September 27, 2026 at 09:52:53 AM
        
        Actions speak louder than words. If Jim thought anything of Sherrone he would have been a charger* - By hambone September 27, 2026 at 09:56:02 AM
        
        I don’t think this is accurate. Harbaugh viewed/endorsed Moore as his successor. Moore’s work as OL coach and OC was instrumental in the 40-3 run. Moore was obviously the wrong choice in hindsight, but the idea that Jim stuck us with some bum he didn’t want strikes me as complete bullshit.* - By Ev September 27, 2026 at 10:05:35 AM
        
        Moore was a co-OC/OL for most/all of that run. He wasn't some OC guru* - By hambone September 27, 2026 at 10:21:26 AM
        
        I mean really, if Jim thought Moore was a horseshit coach, why the hell was he the one coaching the god damn team when Jim was suspended? Doesn’t make any sense.* - By Ev September 27, 2026 at 10:10:48 AM

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